That is where you are wrong, webflow’s marketing is around breaking the code barrier. Meaning that if you don’t know how to code you can still build a decent website using webflow. Now if you do know how to code it is even better. But again maybe not the best for each project, it is a matter of knowing its limitations.
The parting line is “welcome to the age of no-code”… OK it’s not “welcome to the age of getting rid of developers”, but this is how a lot of people interpret it IMO.
For anybody who doesn’t know Webflow you would watch this video and think that you could build any software you like. Great video, great no-code vision (which I am personally totally on board with, I’m sick of writing code) but Webflow in its current state doesn’t really live up to this. If this video is just selling a vision then fair play, but they are of course trying to sell Webflow.
this is their tagline on their site
“Build better business websites, faster. Without coding.”
key words being “without coding”.
The tagline on their website is breaking the code barrier. But fine lets go with yours, “Build better business websites, faster. Without coding” is true is it not? Webflow definitely accomplishes that but it could also do much more, right? all without you knowing how to code, you can just copy and paste the source code from other projects or from github. So I don’t see where is Webflow failing its premise of without coding.
their headline is breaking the code barrier, their tagline reinforces that you don’t need coding. I’m not sure what’s difficult to understand about that. You’re welcome to go to their website and look for yourself.
If they’re saying you need coding, that’s totally fine, fix your messaging.
Debate as you wish, but this is a convo for another thread. This thread is about the slow moving dev team/unresponsive support team, not whether or not you should need to know how to code to use Webflow.
I suggest that we create another topic on the forum about Webflow’s “no code” message, so that we do not hijack the OP’s topic. Someone with moderation rights to move messages there, please, do it.
Update: I created a new post here: Is the "no code" branding, misleading?
Im not arguing against it, you can built on webflow without knowing how to code, right? If you know how to code that is supplementary to what the platform does.
Like I mentioned earlier, the OP should not say the dev team is slow or unresponsive only because they don’t develop items on a wishlist. The wishlist is not a feature request, and never will be. Each user should be responsible of knowing what can and can’t be made with webflow.
Unfortunately I’d wager we are most likely the minority in that we’ve pushed Webflow to it’s limits in order to encounter a specific limitation. That’s ok.
Regardless, let’s all agree that this doesn’t need to be an us vs them with each side presenting evidence and we can all be cordial.
Sure, next time a client asks me why something isn’t possible I will simply tell them it was their responsibility to research all my limitations before doing business. Realize that when working with clients we become the point of contact / firewall and need to ask Webflow tough questions from time to time.
Different projects present entirely different challenges, which is why in my opinion there are those in this thread that understand this and then there are those that don’t and feel the urge to counter point everything.
Yes, Webflow is great. Yes, Webflow can be even better- and I remain optimistic of the platforms future
Webflow shouldn’t be a no code solution, that would make it a worse Wix or Squarespace. The biggest strenght of Webflow is that you can build whatever you want and actually use code in a very effective fashion and make websites FAST.
We just need Webflow to have strong fundamentals and the rest should be up to user. It would be a waste of developers time to make the advanced stuff a native function - if you want to make amazing websites, learn at least the basics of coding. It’s like wanting to be a formula one driver, while not being able to drive with a stick shift.
Not really. Their “Webflow vs. Wordpress” site says it’s really easy to import 1000s of blog posts for example, but if you do it - the entire system breaks (did for me). I don’t think moving over a blog is pushing Webflow to its limits. Webflow isn’t for beginners, it’s a pretty robust service that’s way more customizable than pretty much any other site builder.
I’m doing stuff that’s within their sales pitch to me and I’m hitting strange walls I didn’t foresee, and when I try to fix it I see others have had the same issues for 3+ years. But I guess reading some of the reply it’s double-dumbass on me for not doing research beforehand for not knowing the editor becomes unusable when having 5k CMS items while paying for their 10k plan?
This is what I think about Webflow and other tools or CMS.
0 =🙈, 10=👾
0 5 10 | - - - - | - - - - | |▩▩▩▩▩▩▩▩▩|>>> Webflow |▨▨▨▨| WIX |▨▨▨▨▨| Squarespace |▨▨▨▨▨▨▨▨▨▨▨▨▨▨▨| Wordpress |▨▨▨▨▨| Drupal
Webflow does not like any site-builders. It has a rather deep learning curve for most people. To me, it is like a hybrid between Dreamweaver (still remember it?) and a CMS.
I think it is important for Webflow to stay differentiate itself correctly as it is now, and avoid becoming another WIX-alike-rubbish — and the direction should be:
- More native features or functions, roll-out faster as well
- Improve existing features and tools
- More agency & developer friendly
- Less attention to make Webflow even easier
Btw, I always think “no code” is just for marketing. In fact, one of Webflow’s beauty is that it has flexibility for us to code quite easily for additional customizations.
And… I really believe Webflow can win a lot of e-commerce customers easily just by adding customer login, discount, coupon features.
Dude… Webflow would be AMAZING for ecommerce with these very, very basic features. Imo, shouldn’t have even been released without these.
And better category / site tree control. If you will try to create this “basic” data structure on webflow it’s going to be ‘nightmare’ (for you and for your client):
Man > shoes > sport
On openCart/Magento and so on this idea is “build-in” (Also critical for SEO).
In my opinion this is the most problematic issue on webflow ecommerce.
You can, natively and quite easily on Webflow.
With tabs or some custom codes, you can do filtering and sorting as well.
PS. You cannot do this easily on Shopify.
Breadcrumbs not related her (No way to create “real” 3 levels site tree URL). Mixitup and js are great for micro-filters (color or size) and do
not solve site tree hierarchy issues.
“You cannot do this easily” - summarize my point
For the OP and anyone else interested in what’s coming next you can check out this Webflow article:
Head towards the bottom to see what’s being released very soon
Oh shit that’s a wonderful blog post!
Bingo. I prefer Webflow uses the same business model that 37 Signals used with the development of Basecamp. Build it with the understanding that it will not be for everyone and that is not a bad thing.
Except that that would be your responsibility right? If your client’s website doesn’t accomplish what they are looking for, who are they going to blame, you or webflow? It is the developer’s responsibility to know the tools of the trade.
@Webflow Thx for the update