New Editor X by Wix

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I see this argument brought up but I think there is a lot of misunderstanding about what an injection of cash means for a company and the time it takes for software development—especially in a market that’s just starting to blossom.

That said, Webflow has not only been making consistent updates at a higher rate than before the funding, but have recently teased some incredibly powerful features in the pipeline—from native membership support, more robust symbols (called components) that pave the way for super versatile ui systems, and even logic flows that eliminate the need for tasks that are currently only possible with tools like Zapier or Integromat.

Here’s a screenshot from @vincent’s website (https://www.man1fest.me/cms-timeline) that illustrates the timeline of Webflow updates from the end of 2017 until the middle of 2019:

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Here’s that same timeline shifted to show from the middle of 2019 until now, after their funding:

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I understand it’s frustrating when there are issues that directly affect situations that you rely on for your projects and I have my own list of “why isn’t this already a thing in Webflow”, but it’s just plain wrong that they have “gone AWOL”. Hiring and training staff to work within their ecosystem takes time, and frankly I’d prefer that funding isn’t blown on growth that isn’t sustainable.

In terms of Editor X, it’s great that there is direct competition and that will only benefit us as customers, but Wix has got some catching up to do before I’d even consider using it with any of my clients. They have some cool features and things I’d like to see adopted by Webflow, but I personally find the UI/UX lacking. The “loosey-goosey” nature of their visual editor is great for beginners, but I find it’s less predictable than the more traditional development style in Webflow.

@jeffbezos - All of your posts since joining have been in this thread, talking up the Wix’s EditorX, so I’m starting to expect you only joined to plug the new tool. Personally I don’t mind since competition ultimately benefits us, but I don’t think it should be that surprising that folks who are part of the Webflow community prefer Webflow over other tools in the market.

As I mentioned above, there are some cool things that Wix brought to the table, but as someone who played around with it immediately when it was announced I felt like it still had some maturing to do before I’d even consider it for a client.

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Hey Mikey I appreciate your response. And I’m glad you’ve shared that some features are roadmapped.

I re-read my comments after writing them and felt a little embarrassed, since they were so harsh. But I’m leaving them up because I’m old school web and believe people should be allowed to embarrass themselves.

Regarding your response, I have also been at major companies that went through rounds of funding. I really hope Webflow uses their “capital” well, there’s obviously a fanbase and I’m hoping for a reason your team can say “I told you so” and we do get those features you mentioned. Sounds exciting.

I don’t know the full sum total of blood sweat and tears the team puts into it, but I also stand by saying that it feels underwhelming. I’m hoping I’m proven wrong soon. I just want to be a good user of a good platform, you know? I’m not here to make ya’ll feel bad when you’ve done so much good already.

Wishing all the best to Webflow, I haven’t left yet. Thanks Mikey.

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Also, just since you mentioned it, I’m very excited about what you said with “logic flows”. Anytime I need a smart site I’m left with intellisense helping me write Firebase Functions in typescript. I’m obviously not talented enough to be proud of the result. I’m just trying to make stuff work.

If Webflow were to replace Parabola.io, Zapier, Integromat, with its own function system, I would throw my foot in my mouth. That would be amazing.

I just hope it happens soon. Until then the best stuff I’ve seen is all community created. Chris at Jetboost, Udesly, Parabola, Flowbase, etc… those are the guys I will subscribe to newsletters for.

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No reason to be embarrassed, and thanks for the reply! By the way, I don’t work for Webflow, just a longtime user and regular here around the community who wanted to give my .02 on the recent development.

The roadmap was mentioned at the beginning of the World Tour dates but admittedly the logic flows (an unexpected but super welcome addition) seemed to be the furthest in the future in terms of release date. Traditionally Webflow doesn’t get too specific on when something will drop, mainly to prevent over promising if something delays the release, but recently they’ve started to reveal more of what’s in the pipeline.

Until then, I’m glad we have folks working on complimentary no-code tools and love seeing what’s possible already without getting deep down in the nitty gritty :webflow_heart:

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@mikeyevin He post the question like he doesn’t know Editor X. I was sharing my personal experience and then if you read his reply…I’m like so you’re already know it and you believe it’s good why bother ask here. Use it anyway. I shared my thought hopefully it’s helpful for him and might save his time and money. But I was wrong.

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He was literally selling wix here.

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THIS!!! :point_up_2: :point_up_2: :point_up_2:

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Wix (and Squarespace, etc) is not for making professional websites.

I tried Editor X last week and it was a terrible experience. It is quite impossible to have 100% pixel-perfect control on Editor X. The page will become hard organized as it does not respect HTML hierarchy. The CMS is so weak as well.

I think Editor X is a bad idea right from the beginning. It is trying to work like Figma / XD / Sketch, and something between Wix and Webflow. I don’t think it will become a good product even in a long run.

For us, Webflow is the only “low-code” option for serious clients.

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For us, Webflow is the only “low-code” option for serious clients.

Well, this need not be the case. Following another topic mentioning Wix, I’d like to point out that the current contender for Webflow should be cosidered https://pixli.app, not Editor X.

We also have https://www.sitejet.io, RocketCake - free Responsive Website Builder Software, http://pinegrow.com and we are waiting to see what would come out of https://grapesjs.com, https://www.ycode.com and https://clutch.io. :slight_smile:

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Wow, that’s a great list of tools.

I played with some of them before, really hard to compare with Webflow indeed.
But it looks like sitejet and pixli are really promising! Especially sitejet.
I would like to try it soon.

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The fitness of a tool has to be selected based on requirements. Generalizations about tools are not helpful for the reader. As for Wix, I can think of plenty of site requirements where it is a superior choice to Webflow. Like if I natively needed events, bookings, memberships, multi-language, external data integration, a robust API, photo galleries with features needed by most photographers, to name a few.

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Is it just me or does this whole thread start seem like some kind of Editor X promotion? OP starts out asking for reviews like they haven’t ever tried it, and is then bashing down all negative feedback lmao.

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I’ve played with it. But then I checked the performance scores of the websites on their own showcase and have run a mile. Seriously poor performance.

That’s not to say that it can’t or won’t improve. Competition is healthy.

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Hey, peeps, see what kind of notification I just received for adding a relevant post in this whole topic:

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Do you guys feel that mentioning a number of Webflow alternatives is
“something that is overly promotional in nature instead of being useful or relevant to the topic as expected” ?

Did any of you flag it indeed? Or maybe it was Webflow staff, afraid at the mention of other possibilities?

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haha :rofl:
But I don’t think Webflow staff will do such thing.

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It’s not really spam when you mention alternatives a single time, but including the exact collection of links (already present in another reply from you in the same thread) could definitely be considered unnecessary. You’ve also joined a day ago, only contributed to two threads (about alternatives), and nearly every single post (with the exception of the one mentioning the hidden post) includes the same collection of links.

something that is overly promotional in nature

Overly is the key word here, I don’t think anyone expects there to be no links to other platforms. I appreciate the options but there’s no need to overdo it :webflow_heart:

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Yeah, I’ve yet to see an Editor X site with a higher lighthouse performance rating than 40-50. I’m sure there are, but I feel like you don’t even have to do much optimization to get a 80-90 rating on a Webflow project.

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Good and honest answer.

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Hello @jeffbezos,

So I compared the same site on a code editor, Editor X, and Webflow and tested their performance on a lighthouse test. Here are the results Webflow Vs EditorX Vs Code Editor

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When I used wix and practiced good seo on it, the website never came up and was lost in the search engine mix. When I switched to Webflow all of a sudden the site was discoverable. So, I’d editor x more like Webflow? Is that what you are saying? The code is clean?